Comment by Kehis
I would expect it to work like on N9. If Sailfish UX would get horizontal (instead of the current vertical UX), then it would be logical that cover actions would get vertical instead of horizontal. If...
View ArticleComment by chemist
Without sacrificing push gestures (swipe from outside) for horizontal scrolling how do you expect it to work? You'd need to change the cover-actions to top-bottom-pull to be able to have a pull gesture...
View ArticleComment by Kehis
No gestures need to be sacrificed. If the UX would change, then a couple of features might have to have thier gestures re-assigned. The reason however, for me would be that I thought it worked better...
View ArticleComment by chemist
I tend to disagree again, what you call basic is called launcher at androids, and everything else than changing basics on any system. For your need to scroll the main areas horizontally... why would...
View ArticleComment by Kehis
I hadn't heard about patchmanager, thanx! I have to check it out more thoroughly, but I'm really not the most IT-savvy and if Sailfish is ever to become more than just a niche for a very small market...
View ArticleComment by chemist
Where do ambiences go? Sides are lost, so where do they go? Bottom and top are taken too... you loose everything to scrolling covers (just realized that). Only on lockscreen would be ambiences... oh...
View ArticleComment by chemist
No question! But it is customizable already, see patchmanager. So we are really about habit ;) horizontal replacing vertical is habit, but remember that horizontal you need to have a going round and...
View ArticleComment by Kehis
Well, I'm not arguing for expelling ambiance from the UX, nor destroying the current setup. Even if Harmattan-like horizontal swiping between screens would be made available, ambiance-screen could...
View ArticleComment by chemist
Sure, I am just pointing out that all those ideas bring a clustering and remove the "smooth and clean". It is very arguable what we have with the ambiences atm but that is promised to be "very"...
View ArticleComment by Kehis
I would, but managed to break my N9 and Jolla is taking Sailfish somewhere so I wanted to support them. It's not about making Sailfish to Harmattan because some "never forget"-thing, but giving Jolla a...
View ArticleAnswer by chemist for Swipe to switch between Running Apps / App Launcher (N9...
If you want to have Harmattan, how about using Harmattan? What you are trying to circumvent is the missing 10th app on your screen, there are three more or less reasonable approaches without destroying...
View ArticleAnswer by Kari for Swipe to switch between Running Apps / App Launcher (N9...
@kabouik had well documented proposal in here https://together.jolla.com/question/14297/poll-what-would-be-the-best-way-to-re-activate-the-hidden-applications/?answer=18249#post-id-18249
View ArticleComment by Mohjive
I think something like the behavior [described here](http://felipec.wordpress.com/2011/08/14/n9-swipe-undocumented-feature-activate-sane-behavior/) (that was the way I had my N9 configured), but where...
View ArticleComment by Kehis
Somethings are better on the Jolla, some where smoother on the N9. Jolla takes gestures to a whole new level, but still the N9 felt much more native/effortless to use (for me). Scrolling between...
View ArticleComment by kMan
I am talking about swiping sideways which sometimes show up the ambiance screen and sometimes shows the running apps. This is something I can live with. But having no status bar requires that you can...
View ArticleComment by Kehis
@chemist I know. But Ambiance is so far pretty lame as a feature and any development of the feed/event screen would be much more useful for now, and when ambiances do get developed they still won't...
View ArticleComment by chemist
There is no sideswipe in Harmattan for the 3 base-screens, there is no bottom swipe either, those you only have on lockscreen or inside an app, and all but top do the same. Your mislead idea of...
View ArticleComment by kMan
@chemist: You're wrong! I do not talking about habits, I am talking about usability. And in my opinion the usability of Sailfish is not as good as the usability of Harmattan because it is not...
View ArticleComment by chemist
@kMan so what you say is you cannot adapt to something that is even less confusing, sounds like switching from old MS-Office layout to new MS-Office. Sure it is a valid point that you are used to...
View ArticleComment by kMan
@chemist: I used the N9 before switching to the Jolla. For me a swipe from bottom up is still much more unnatural than swiping two times to the right... So I understand the argumentation of Kehis. As...
View ArticleComment by chemist
@Kehis notifications are available from everywhere with a single swipe already (bottom up). The ambiences are promised to become much more than just a background and ringtones, hopefully with that...
View ArticleComment by Kehis
Thanx for the perspective, go on and downvote - it's about getting the system that the community wants and If this is just me, then so be it. As I said, Targons alternative above would also be great. I...
View ArticleComment by chemist
I am not going to downvote you as your karma is at this point only 21, but your proposal is cluttering the UX into the same mistake Harmattan had, there is a good reason why it is only 2 areas +...
View ArticleAnswer by Kehis for Swipe to switch between Running Apps / App Launcher (N9...
Targons alternative would work great for me, but the original thought that went into the N9 is still the smoothest way to go - don't fix what ain't broken. Ambiances would easily fit into that layout....
View ArticleAnswer by dsilveira for Swipe to switch between Running Apps / App Launcher...
This is problematic, because you're forgetting about TOH specific page that takes the place of the ambience to the right. I would propose something like this: [Settings] [Lock Screen] [TOH] [Ambience]...
View ArticleAnswer by phle for Swipe to switch between Running Apps / App Launcher (N9...
Not sure if this is suitable here as well, but here you go: [my suggestion over at "Screenborder swipe"](https://together.jolla.com/question/397/screenborder-swipe/#post-id-16098).
View ArticleComment by chemist
No need to have the notification feed (events-page) on a sideswipe and I very much like to see that the ambience switcher gets enhanced instead of cluttering the UI into little pieces. Left and right...
View ArticleComment by hardcodes.de
If you update in place, later visitors of this topic can not retrace how this idea developed. On the other hand: my life does not depend on it ;-)
View ArticleComment by Jorge
I really like some of the new navigation ideas introduced by Jolla (i.e. the hidden status bar that you just pull when you really need it instead of the all-the-time-there black bar, or the peek...
View ArticleAnswer by targon for Swipe to switch between Running Apps / App Launcher (N9...
Even with the ambience umbrella considered, I also see it confusing accessing it from two levels (open the next door in hallway and you end up to same room). [Ambience] [Lock Screen ] [Ambience] ^ | v...
View ArticleComment by Kehis
Why not just swipe down from lock screen to go to ambiance, and to the sides to get to feed/launcher/running apps? (I've got a suggestieon below.)
View ArticleComment by pata
I think one very obvious UI navigation enhancement may be to keep current layout untouched but improve navigation between screens. I particularly seem to keep doing side swipe gestures all the time...
View ArticleComment by mdengler
@jakko-roppola Ambience changes will not be done as often as app changes. This alone is a reason to prioritise (accessible via shortest gesture) app changes above ambience changes. Further than that, I...
View ArticleComment by foss4ever
@chemist you should express your opinions and ideas, and not those that you think other ppl have. It's easy to counter your point by just saying: no, ppl are not affraid of changes, and they are used...
View ArticleComment by chemist
Please stick to the current design, people are just not used to it and are afraid of changes.
View ArticleComment by foss4ever
@marco73f Why do we need to have Ambience screen to be accessible fron Home screen (the view where running apps are) and from Lock screen? However, glad that you agree that 4 swipes for Ambience is...
View ArticleComment by marco73f
I think that it would be a good idea that "lock screen" and "running apps view", have the same behavior with the same gesture. It would be possible obtain a consistent UI in both view, allowing the...
View ArticleComment by foss4ever
@jaakko-roppola @kMan and others.. This is a facinating topic and there are some really good suggestions to enhance the current design of Jolla UI screens and swipes / transitions between them....
View ArticleComment by jayki
I think, that the Idea from harcodes.de is the best! Please use this! Im ALso from N900>N9>Jolla an i have to say, N9 was more logical in these things ;) Also i miss!!! the Facebook/Twitter Feeds...
View ArticleComment by pojanisu
I understand the idea behind ambiances now a bit better. However, when going running, I just start the media player and thats it. The suggestion from hardcodes.de is great. The swipe targets could be...
View ArticleComment by idiallo
I understand the "ambience" concept, but still the settings screen is too far away from a running application screen (swipe from side, swipe up, pulley up, change settings, then swipe and touch to...
View ArticleComment by hardcodes.de
I always understood *Ambience* as an umbrella setting and that is just fine. But wouldn't it enough to access those from the lock screen? [Ambience] [Lock Screen ] [Ambience] ^ | v [Running Apps] ->...
View ArticleComment by kMan
The way the status bar is implemented is reasonable and brilliant: it will lead to more space for the applications. I have absolutely no complains about that. Maybe you will discuss the App Launcher /...
View ArticleComment by Jaakko Roppola
I as well understand your angle, but we also have to serve great deal of other users and we have to make compromises that fit everyone. If we make everything static and force things, you lose the...
View ArticleComment by chemist
@Kehis on N9 you never knew where you end up by closing an app, from lockscreen you always end up where you have been last, if I was texting last night I have to close the messenger before I can do...
View ArticleComment by Kehis
It was a lot smoother when you swiped to the side on lockscreen and got the feed, and then the apps, with the N9. I like and support Jolla for continuing with the swipes but their system makes no sense.
View ArticleComment by chemist
I still think there are other and even better solutions than using the swipe to see more covers, if the setting-favourites make it onto the ambience-chooser this needs to stay like it is and you loose...
View ArticleComment by Kehis
Beeing able to swipe between running apps, app launcher and feed was the best part of the N9 and was the reason I got excited about Jolla in the first place. There is just no reason why ambience would...
View ArticleComment by targon
IMO Access (even extended) Ambiance from lock screen & pulley is enough. From home view it feels confusing. Maybe just change swipe up from home to swipe left and disable (reserve for future) swipe...
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